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| JJX5 |
Posted on 01/14/2013 23:05:42
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Iffy subject but what are your thoughts on abortions I think it's more acceptable to get one if you can't support it at all food or health wise, or at least see if another family member will take the child off your hands , but obviously I can't speak for everyone and do not know people's situation .
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| Vulture |
Posted on 01/14/2013 23:15:13
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My thoughts:
Wear condoms during sex if you don't want the girl to get pregnant..
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| JJX5 |
Posted on 01/14/2013 23:17:17
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what if she's raped?
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| Vulture |
Posted on 01/14/2013 23:20:15
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JJX5 wrote:
what if she's raped?
This again? Really? It should then be discussed in the other thread. >_>
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 01/14/2013 23:31:46
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I think that every family should have the right to choose what to do with their body, specially instances in which the baby cannot survive outside the womb, like with abnormalities like anacephely (spelling?). Also, when mothers are living in poverty, abusive homes, or are doing drugs - one has to ask - the child has a right to life, yes - but what kind of life would it be? My friend is a pediatric RN and the other they a 3 month old came in dying of starvation. She weighed the same as the day she was born. What option would be better for the child?
So while I think it is up to the parents, I personally would never do anything like that no matter my situation. I used to feel differently before Kevin and Tyler, but now that I've had a baby, I can't imagine not having him. No matter the situation, disease, whatever - I would carry my child full term. I think the only way I would consider having an abortion now is if my life was at risk and it was one of those things where the doctor is like "We're losing her!!!" I could not leave Tyler. There is nothing in this world that will ever tear me away from him if I can help it.
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Posted on 01/14/2013 23:50:28
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za heystarface wrote:
I think that every family should have the right to choose what to do with their body, specially instances in which the baby cannot survive outside the womb, like with abnormalities like anacephely (spelling?). Also, when mothers are living in poverty, abusive homes, or are doing drugs - one has to ask - the child has a right to life, yes - but what kind of life would it be? My friend is a pediatric RN and the other they a 3 month old came in dying of starvation. She weighed the same as the day she was born. What option would be better for the child?
So while I think it is up to the parents, I personally would never do anything like that no matter my situation. I used to feel differently before Kevin and Tyler, but now that I've had a baby, I can't imagine not having him. No matter the situation, disease, whatever - I would carry my child full term. I think the only way I would consider having an abortion now is if my life was at risk and it was one of those things where the doctor is like "We're losing her!!!" I could not leave Tyler. There is nothing in this world that will ever tear me away from him if I can help it.
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| Moony |
Posted on 01/14/2013 23:58:38
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I know a little about the development of the embryo and I believe the point of gastrulation (specialisation of the blastula- which a hollow ball of cells containing fluid- into three specific germ layers, which go on to form areas of the body depending on the layer) is where the baby cannot or should not be aborted without a damn good reason.
This happens between Days 7-10 of pregnancy, so you have a week to decide whether you want to keep it or not. Before then, it's just a ball of cells.
Don't want a child? Use contraception. Don't want to use contraception? Don't have sex.
So therefore, if a theoretical wife of mine was having a baby, we would have a week to discuss it. The only reason I would really, honestly accept abortion after that time to be justified is in two cases:
1) The baby was severely having a negative effect on the life of the mother (i.e the mother could die in the process of delivering the baby)
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2) If the child were to be born in conditions unfavourable to it's survival (Born with genetic diseases that would severe impair his or her living quality)
Rape is a shaky case, but that's being discussed somewhere else, though I suppose abortion would be down to the raped party in that case. I personally believe it would be justified in that case.
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| Drkinferno |
Posted on 01/15/2013 00:01:30
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I think that we should reintroduce a sort of eugenics program in America. I am neither a pro lifer or pro choicer. (In Pro Life, we have to keep every single useless fetus alive regardless if it's born addicted to crack or malformed, born with physical and developmental issues. In Pro Choice is where idiotic girls that make stupid decisions, make another one where they can go ahead and get pregnant again. Rinse and repeat. Even if there is nothing wrong with the child). Instead i propose a system where people do not have the choice in the matter (they chose to be pregnant, so we're dealing with the problem before we're paying for it). If there is nothing wrong with the fetus, developmentally or physically, then tough shit for the girl, it's staying. Unless of course it is the case of rape, or the girl's body is unable to handle the pregnancy. In which case the pregnancy will be, should be, terminated. If there is something wrong with the fetus (not developing right, so has too many genetic defects) that fetus too, should be eliminated. As such, only better genes are allowed to stay within the gene pool. It's simply natural selection.... guided by human hands. (Scientifically speaking artificial selection).
While I come across as cold to you, let's face it, the human population is exploding at higher and higher rates each year. It seems as though people can breed like rats. Thus meaning, with each birth, the value of a human life goes down on average. That's not cold, that's economics. Statisically speaking, people with lower iqs (intelligentquotients ) outbreed the ones with higher iqs. At this rate, the human race will devolve. Look no further than Honey Boo Boo (how is it still alive?) that passes off as "entertainment".
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| JJX5 |
Posted on 01/15/2013 00:07:37
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Vulture wrote:
JJX5 wrote:
what if she's raped?
This again? Really? It should then be discussed in the other thread. >_>
not really since rape is a cause of pregnancy lol
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| rawr |
Posted on 01/15/2013 00:13:23
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Everyone has a right to choose what they want with thier baby. But i say adoption is the most reasonable.
1. people cant have kids an would love to have one.
2. every baby deserves a life.
3. would you wanted to be aborted?
I have 4 kids my 1st one i ever got preg with my parents treid to have me get an abortion i told them hell no. i would never even think of giving up one of my kids. i know i only 21 an i have 4 lil monsters xD an things do get tuff at times but i wouldnt trade them for million bucks. i love my lil babies. id do anything for them.
But its up to the person who is preg an if shes up for mother hood or not. some people are not ment for parenting.
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| Moony |
Posted on 01/15/2013 01:04:21
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Drkinferno wrote:
Statisically speaking, people with lower iqs (intelligentquotients ) outbreed the ones with higher iqs. At this rate, the human race will devolve. Look no further than Honey Boo Boo (how is it still alive?) that passes off as "entertainment".
Genes have very little to do with the IQ of a person outside of behavioural problems (See ADHD, dyslexia, schizophrenia) and environment has a greater modifier than genes in most cases.
I'll use me as a case.
My father was a soldier in the Blues and Royals division of the UK army. He quit school at the age of 15 (did not finish education) and enlisted immediately into the army. He now teaches for the army in operation of equipment.
My mother was a dental receptionist and married at 18, having me at 23 years old. She did not go into education either.
My mum's side:
My grandfather was a plumber, learned all his skills on the job.
My grandmother was a professional housewife and cook. No job.
I don't know about my father's side, but at least two of my generations did not finish or barely scraped through education.
I'm in my second year of a biochemistry degree at university. I've been through college, and I attained 11 A-C GCSES which are end of secondary education tests. I'm the first person in my family to go to university on either my mum or my dad's side.
By your logic I should be as uneducated as my parents or G-parents, no?
2. every baby deserves a life.
Even if they were to lead a life full of pain, or confined to a breathing device, or wheelchair, or something like that?
What kind of a life is that?
3. would you wanted to be aborted?
I'd like to stress that it wouldn't be my choice. That said, Having lived a relatively normal life for 21 years I can say I would rather live no life at all than a constant life of pain caused by genetic defect.
Edited by Moony on 01/15/2013 01:11:12
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| theatticus |
Posted on 01/15/2013 01:34:14
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A "baby" is still just a grouping of cells, even if it looks vaguely like a human until sometime around week 20. A baby does not have a sufficiently developed brain to have any conscious neural activity before then, and also, a babies nervous system isn't developed enough for it to feel pain until around 18-20 weeks. Based on that strictly medical view, I think abortion could be considered okay before that point. After 20 weeks, a fetus CAN feel pain, and an abortion could be considered similar to ripping a person apart. A fetus is actually dismembered inside the uterus during the process. After that long of a pregnancy, too bad, you keep the baby. It's murder at that point.
While I come across as cold to you, let's face it, the human population is exploding at higher and higher rates each year. It seems as though people can breed like rats. Thus meaning, with each birth, the value of a human life goes down on average. That's not cold, that's economics. Statisically speaking, people with lower iqs (intelligentquotients ) outbreed the ones with higher iqs. At this rate, the human race will devolve. Look no further than Honey Boo Boo (how is it still alive?) that passes off as "entertainment".
Unfortunately, though it disturbs me, you're completely right. The worlds population is already at 7 billion and is expected to reach 10 billion by around 2050, and the world simply cannot support that many people. If you can't handle the baby, or if the baby is going to be severely disadvantaged in life for whatever reason, by all means, get an abortion if it is under that 20 week limit. Honestly, the world doesn't need more humans.
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| rawr |
Posted on 01/15/2013 01:44:23
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A lady here in my town new her baby would die shorty after it being born.. Dr.s didnt even think he would make it to even being delivered. but she wanted to hold her baby a spend a few days with him. he died 3/4days later. but she loved that lil man. he had Mosaic Triploidy. but he got to live those few days knowing he was loved. EVERY baby deserve a chance to be loved. an born. Dont want your kids there is plenty of people out there who r loving an want kids. So wat if the baby may have a problem? it still deserves chance. What if the problem can be fixed? I no if i had a problem an i had to live with it for the rest of my life i would of wouldnt to still be born. Havin a disorder you can over come it. You can do wat u can. dont let wat u have get you down. Like Autism kids there pretty damn smart. A there are poeple that are disable an cant even walk since they were born doing olympics
I'd like to stress that it wouldn't be my choice. That said, Having lived a relatively normal life for 21 years I can say I would rather live no life at all than a constant life of pain caused by genetic defect.
I agree with u there. But some people can over come things even having those problems. Wat if that baby wanted to be born with those problems? An live a life.
instead of pretty much being thrown in the trash.
Edited by rawr on 01/15/2013 01:45:03
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 01/15/2013 01:59:45
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You guys will love this! =)
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. the 1st is blind, the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the murder of Jesus Christ! |
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| theatticus |
Posted on 01/15/2013 02:32:34
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I'll give you credit on that being hilarious, but what if Hitlers mom had gotten an abortion? Justin Bieber? There's some positive. xD
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| Drkinferno |
Posted on 01/15/2013 08:13:47
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Not every life deserves an equal chance to live. If I had to choose between saving a perfectly fine child compared to one that's a bedridden vegetable in a fire. By all means, the healthy one.
Just because it's alive doesn't make it worth anymore. We already live with 7+ billion people. You're all talking about "right to life", but I think that's even crueler than painlessy eliminating them.
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| Drkinferno |
Posted on 01/15/2013 08:20:51
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According to British scholar Thomas Malthus, the Malthusian Principle states that the population of any given area will eventually overwhelm the available resources of that area. Only to be put in check by war and famine, and pestilence (disease), until the given area can support the population again.
Basically, we're hitting that point, a little abortion here and there would lessen the effects. Now if we could get away with sterilizing some people, that would help too. |
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 01/15/2013 08:40:38
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Drk you make very good points population and survival. I just wish little unborns didn't have to die. I would rather everyone be required to pass some kind of standarized test to be able to have sex or have a child, LOL! I mean really - every family should be like, limited to one or two, and people too stupid to care for their children properly shouldn't be allowed to have any at all. I also think people that are addicted to drugs or alcohol should not be allowed to breed until their clean and sober.
I think birth control should be mandatory.
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Posted on 01/15/2013 09:05:38
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The best case scenario is that it doesn't get to that. Prevention should be the first choice, always. However, accidents happen and some people think contraception is a sin - so what can you do?
Is abortion morally right? Probably not.
Would I condone it in certain situations? Probably yes.
The moral debate is similar to that for stem cells that we had before (http://foodclan.c...ad_id=3486 - when, if there is one, is the point of no return? When does a bundle of cells become a human with a right to live? It's hard to answer, but Moony's probably got it about right. If cognitive development and sensitivity haven't commenced, that's surely better.
I think it would be acceptable in cases of rape, under-age pregnancy, or extreme poverty. (Just off the top of my head, you could probably persuade me about others.)
In other words, when the 'mother' would not have had a choice in having a baby, or the life for the 'mother' or baby would be exceptionally hard or short-lived. It's unnecessary to bring life into a terrible world.
I don't think people should have lots of (if any) children, anyway, because it's not sustainable, and I doubt whether they'd be happy to be alive.
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 01/15/2013 12:47:53
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ZA BrickSquad wrote:
1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. the 1st is blind, the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?
Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the murder of Jesus Christ!
Like Atticus said, this works both ways. For example:
1. A happily married couple are going to have a baby which would appear to be healthy and sound. Do you recommend an abortion?
If you said no you have just given life to Hitler, Mussolini and all manner of unpleasant people - support abortions 100% so that no unpleasant people ever get born!
I believe in Britain that abortions are only allowed for good reason - that is, you can only have one if you can justify it (or something similar) meaning that you can't just use abortions as a form of contraception. I think this is the right way to go about it; I may be pro-choice but only as long as the choice isn't stupid.
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