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Sight Jacking in ZA servers.
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/21/2012 13:47:35
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I think the sight jack rule should be changed. Sight jack should be allowed to everyone in server or at very least to all ZA members.
The sight jack is a tool used by ppl to catch others using hacks. The sight jack was not made to be used as a cheat or a hack like the aimbot was. The only real way someone could use a sj to cheat is to find a human that is hiding but thats it. But if they were going to do that they would do it regardless of the rule, they would never tell us if they used a sj find a hiding human with the rule in place or not.
I have had quite a few ppl in server tell me that they've caught someone botting/walling and they caught them hacking using a sj (some of these cases have been true), but i had to warn them instead that they were not allowed to sight jack. I think that's a little unproductive. If someone is able to catch a hacker for us thats a +1 for ZA.
So when we weight the pros and cons of Hackers being caught more effectively and easily against the con of someone using a sj to find a human (which if they for some reason planned to do they would do it regardless of the rule), I believe that open sight jacking would be beneficial.
im not saying that we should posts signs and tell everyone in the world that they can sight jack but that if someone comes to us with a sj video of someone cheating we should be able to use it.
One final note, i believe that we are the only clan that disallows sj in out server. Any other clan would use ppl videos for further investigation.
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| SpartanJaz |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:02:10
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This is a good idea.
Sightjacking can have disadvantages sometimes, but as you pointed out, if anyone wanted to sj to cheat, they'd do so regardless of any rules in place.
However, it might lag the server a little bit. Sometimes sightjackers can cause lag. |
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| Levi |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:08:28
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That would be very useful. Then i wouldnt have to ask an admin to sj anyone everytime. I also dont see why non-admins are not allowed to use it, how can you possibly cause problems with watching from another player's view? You dont change any gameplay with it..
Edited by Levi on 10/21/2012 14:10:27
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| ninja |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:12:31
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I'm not completely sure why we don't allow it.
It's probably something to do with disallowing all types of hacks/mods/3rd party applications. People might take advantage of it, perhaps by using the wireframe function on it. I don't know.
I think I would be happier to concede to just ZÅ members using it, but I don't know about all players.
E: We also want to be sure that people are actually playing the game, rather than just watching other players.
Edited by ninja on 10/21/2012 14:16:31
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| Carnage |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:16:05
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I don't see a problem with this. If we were playing hide and seek then yes but generally the only thing that a sightjacker is useful for is catching bots and finding people. Since most of the humans can in an open location anyways this would be a non-issue. As A pointed out I too have had people tell me they've caught botters in the server but were afraid to come forward with evidence because they were afraid of being punished.
"Hey guys, I just bought this thing called a sight ward...so it's GG." - MasterA in League of Legends
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:26:32
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ninja wrote:
I'm not completely sure why we don't allow it.
It's probably something to do with disallowing all types of hacks/mods/3rd party applications. People might take advantage of it, perhaps by using the wireframe function on it. I don't know.
I think I would be happier to concede to just ZÅ members using it, but I don't know about all players.
E: We also want to be sure that people are actually playing the game, rather than just watching other players.
Yes i don't think we should like promote that everyone can sight jack! or something like that just if ppl came forward with evidence of hacker we could actually use it. Also if ppl are using the wireframe function to cheat they would already be doing it with or without the rule.
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| RazNinjaMike |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:28:04
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ninja wrote:
I'm not completely sure why we don't allow it.
It's probably something to do with disallowing all types of hacks/mods/3rd party applications. People might take advantage of it, perhaps by using the wireframe function on it. I don't know.
I think I would be happier to concede to just ZÅ members using it, but I don't know about all players.
E: We also want to be sure that people are actually playing the game, rather than just watching other players. |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:28:09
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I think this is an old rule introduced, like Ninja said, because it was another hax/3rd party thing, that no one's really considered changing too drastically.
The only downside would be that I can see some members would spend a considerable amount of time SJing rather than actually playing. We would need to impress upon people that you should only SJ if you have reason to believe that they're haxxing (and not just a single snap you think you saw or because they're too good).
Perhaps we could introduce ranks into this - Sergeant and above at least (not Private) can sightjack since, as advanced members, we can certainly trust them. If that trial goes well, we can consider opening this to Corporal too.
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| Hercules |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:48:56
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I agree with HatofLove that maybe it should be introduced to High ranking members only for a trial run. May help out a bit? MasterA is right, there are many other clans who use sightjack all the time for instance the io clan, x clan, CSK clan, etc... |
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| Carnage |
Posted on 10/21/2012 14:49:50
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As A pointed out, if people are going to use the third party features of the SJ, they are not going to tell us about it anyways and unless they admit it we would have no way of knowing they are sight jacking let alone using the wireframe.
Most of you remember Bloodbrotha, well I had a player come forward with videos of him obviously botting in our servers but since he wasnt an admin I couldn't use the vids to kick BB out. I had to wait several more days to get vids before I could take action. It seemed a little dumb that I had to let a botter play in our servers especially while being in the clan all because the person that took the vid wasn't an admin.
"Hey guys, I just bought this thing called a sight ward...so it's GG." - MasterA in League of Legends
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/21/2012 15:00:34
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Good to note that i had alot of non za members come to me saying they had vids of a player cheating but i instead had to warn them not to sight jack.
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| ninja |
Posted on 10/21/2012 15:17:39
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I'm not sure if I'd trust 'evidence' from someone not in ZÅ.
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/21/2012 15:19:50
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ninja wrote:
I'm not sure if I'd trust 'evidence' from someone not in ZÅ.
Not every kid has a sightjacker and the ppl who have one usually know what a bot it. Ofc as always we would have to review the evidence. But most ppl don't even know what a sj is or how to get one so we wouldnt get alot of noobs coming forth with videos.
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| firefox |
Posted on 10/21/2012 15:55:13
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I agree with hat. I think we should just allow high ranking members such as staff sergeants or just sergeants and above. It would be nice so we constantly don't need to ask admins to come and sj and just do it for ourselves.
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| Chilla |
Posted on 10/21/2012 16:37:02
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firefox wrote:
I agree with hat. I think we should just allow high ranking members such as staff sergeants or just sergeants and above. It would be nice so we constantly don't need to ask admins to come and sj and just do it for ourselves.
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| Magnum |
Posted on 10/21/2012 17:21:55
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What? No love for the privates or corprals. D:
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| superzilla |
Posted on 10/21/2012 17:41:36
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In CnR we have made it illegal for non-admins to SJ. Unfortunately there's nearly no way to tell who's doing it. I find it good discouraging people who usually call bot (usually non-admins) when someone just moved their mouse a bit fast.
 
 
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| firefox |
Posted on 10/21/2012 18:51:39
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Magnum wrote:
What? No love for the privates or corprals. D:
privates are trial members so we haven't got to know them as much and same goes for corporals. Sergeants and above we got to know pretty well and trust 
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| Vulture |
Posted on 10/21/2012 20:58:20
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There's nothing wrong with zombies sightjacking humans to see if they are hacking or not in the ProStats, because we basically know all the human camp spots in every map rotation in that server. But I doubt a human would go AFK just to sightjack and find a zombie as I think it would be stupid too to do that when you are sightjacking one zombie and get melee'ed/infected out of nowhere by another zombie.
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| stunt1man |
Posted on 10/21/2012 21:26:12
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or at least should be allowed to all the admins to use sj even if we dont want all members using it. 
that means from trial admins and above.
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