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Debate 5: LGBT Rights
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 02/18/2012 14:12:00
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How do you DEFINE marriage?
How did you come to learn that definition?
Do you think LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered/Transexual) couples should be allowed to marry and/or adopt children?
Do you think anyone has the right to tell another person who they can and cannot marry/love/have children with?
Should the government be allowed to say who someone can marry?
Should the church be allowed to say who someone can marry?
What does your faith, religion, upbringing say about same-sex marriages?
Do you think being homosexual is a choice or something a person is born to be?
Should the LGBT Civil Rights Movement be taught in public schools the way Women's and African American's Civil Rights is taught in schools?
Should LGBT couples be allowed to show public displays of affection in public schools?
How would you feel if someone in ZA came out/was out of the closet?
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 02/18/2012 14:52:04
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za heystarface wrote:
How do you DEFINE marriage?
How did you come to learn that definition?
Do you think LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered/Transexual) couples should be allowed to marry and/or adopt children?
Do you think anyone has the right to tell another person who they can and cannot marry/love/have children with?
Should the government be allowed to say who someone can marry?
Should the church be allowed to say who someone can marry?
What does your faith, religion, upbringing say about same-sex marriages?
Do you think being homosexual is a choice or something a person is born to be?
Should the LGBT Civil Rights Movement be taught in public schools the way Women's and African American's Civil Rights is taught in schools?
Should LGBT couples be allowed to show public displays of affection in public schools?
How would you feel if someone in ZA came out/was out of the closet?
Marriage is more of a legal status. You can spend your life with someone without being married and vice versa.
By knowing that marriage is more of a legal status and knowing people who spend their lives with someone without being married or vice versa.
Absolutely.
Nope. If they both love each other, go ahead.
No.
No.
I'm British, we're probably more liberal about these things than most people and being atheist I'm not prejudiced.
It's a natural thing. You can't choose to be straight or gay any more than you can be choose to be black or white.
Yes.
Yes, of course. There's not point 'protecting the children' from something so natural. There's nothing wrong with it so there's nothing to protect them from.
I would treat them just the same. I have one homosexual and two bisexual friends, both pretty open about it, and, honestly, even in a school full of teenagers, no-one actually cares. Not in the least.
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| ninja |
Posted on 02/18/2012 15:09:18
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Well according to the Oxford English Dictionary, marriage is "the formal union of man and a woman", and I suppose that's probably how I would describe it. Obviously that definition could be seen as excluding homosexuals but as far as I know only heterosexuals can be legally married.
There's a similar ceremony called a "civil partnership" although differentiating between the two could be seen as separating society and broadening the already quite precarious divide between sexualities. I believe that people in civil partnerships have the same rights as married couples regarding taxes etc. so it's not exactly like they are disadvantaged in that way.
The only people who should have the final say as to whether two people should get married are the two people themselves!
I (try to) treat everyone equally, and I strongly believe that everyone else should too. I think that sums up how I would answer most of the questions.
Edited by ninja on 02/18/2012 15:10:27
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| RazNinjaMike |
Posted on 02/18/2012 15:15:59
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za heystarface wrote:
How do you DEFINE marriage?
How did you come to learn that definition?
Do you think LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered/Transexual) couples should be allowed to marry and/or adopt children?
Do you think anyone has the right to tell another person who they can and cannot marry/love/have children with?
Should the government be allowed to say who someone can marry?
Should the church be allowed to say who someone can marry?
What does your faith, religion, upbringing say about same-sex marriages?
Do you think being homosexual is a choice or something a person is born to be?
Should the LGBT Civil Rights Movement be taught in public schools the way Women's and African American's Civil Rights is taught in schools?
Should LGBT couples be allowed to show public displays of affection in public schools?
How would you feel if someone in ZA came out/was out of the closet?
A forever commitment between two people.
I'm raz that how i know.
Yes they should be. And yes they should be able to adopt, as long as they are caring people...
No.
Fuck government. And no.
yes the church should be able to pick who can be marry in "THEIR" churches...not outside of it.
I don't mind same sex marriages. its okay.
Being homo is a choice.
ya their civil rights should be known in public. in chance someone is one of them. they'll least have some common knowledge...
yes they should be able to show public affection under the same rules as opposite couple public affection rules
I wouldn't be surprise i suspect some. Plus trunks already came out. star almost came out but changed her mind.(JK!  ) coke came out then went back in. hobo was debating whether to go in closet. shawn came out went back in then came out and broke the door so he cant go back in.
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| ZA Bvigil |
Posted on 02/18/2012 15:52:18
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they should have the same rights as we do it's ridiculous that they don't and it's not a choice to be gay it is a difference in brain chemistry that causes it, but I'm not going to go all in depth psychologically
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| weeshuggy |
Posted on 02/18/2012 16:48:49
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technically they can gay or lesbian couples can never complete their vowes so technically they can never tuely be married nor do i think they should be allowed to "marry" as they so call it.
I do however 100% back things like civil partner ships.
oh and marriage is the joining of man and woman so i dont think gay couples ect... can ever be married. |
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| ZA reaper |
Posted on 02/18/2012 18:07:14
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w8 trunks was lgbt?
and i think anyone should have the right to be able to to marry however they want.lgbt is not a choice and you "are born this way", the only choice is whether or you embrace or suppress it. i dont care if you are gay or straight what you do with your life is your business and im not that religious.churches should not have a say in marriage and niether should the government
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| Carnage |
Posted on 02/18/2012 18:09:16
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They have found the gay gene...thats all.
"Hey guys, I just bought this thing called a sight ward...so it's GG." - MasterA in League of Legends
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| ZA Bvigil |
Posted on 02/18/2012 20:33:59
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ohai shawn version 5382
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Posted on 02/18/2012 20:43:50
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Shawns now deleted post is the epitome of what is wrong with America today.
"Hey guys, I just bought this thing called a sight ward...so it's GG." - MasterA in League of Legends
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 02/18/2012 22:40:32
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He's so lonely - poor shawn.
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 02/18/2012 22:44:30
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I support any and every sexuality. Every right one man or woman has should be afforded to the next man or woman, regardless of the circumstance.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 02/19/2012 11:16:45
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Well, I try to treat everyone equally and the same. But I do not support them.
Sorry guys, it's just the way I grew up. I remember one time in the city, not going to name,
I grew up in my home country, the Dominican Republic, I saw a man tied to a tree completely
naked (for humiliation). At the end of the day, the locals killed him with a machete chopping at his neck.
There were no gays or lesbians in the city I came from. And my people are not violent, we are probably
the nicest people you would ever meet, it's just things like that we don't like. I come from a country
where 95% of the population is Catholic, which being gay is a sin.
I hope you all respect my view as I respected yours.
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| ZA Bvigil |
Posted on 02/19/2012 16:27:30
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Ya I lived down in Mexico with my family for a while and I can honestly say that they are some of the kindest people ever, but they just don't support lesbians and gays because of their catholic heritage
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| Sarge |
Posted on 04/27/2012 20:19:03
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How do you DEFINE marriage?
Being joined by a minister (or whoever else you have)
How did you come to learn that definition?
You never really see anyone married without a ceremony
Do you think LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered/Transexual) couples should be allowed to marry and/or adopt children?
Yes, its their life choice to get married, and they obviously cannot have a birth child...
Do you think anyone has the right to tell another person who they can and cannot marry/love/have children with?
No, noone has any right to tell anyone how to live their life
Should the government be allowed to say who someone can marry?
No, the states should, a vote from the people.
Should the church be allowed to say who someone can marry?
No, as said before the states should regulate it via public vote.
What does your faith, religion, upbringing say about same-sex marriages?
That it is an abomination, but not that it is unforgivable. The only unforgivable sin is blashpemy of the Holy Spirit, homosexuality is just as bad to God as is lying.
Do you think being homosexual is a choice or something a person is born to be?
A choice, being born with is an excuse people come up with to cope.
Should the LGBT Civil Rights Movement be taught in public schools the way Women's and African American's Civil Rights is taught in schools?
It is, we covered the Gay movement in my history book. But yes.
Should LGBT couples be allowed to show public displays of affection in public schools?
LGBT PDA should be the same as straight PDA
How would you feel if someone in ZA came out/was out of the closet?
Wouldn't care much, not all that attached to everyone, and besides, this is the internet...
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| ninja |
Posted on 06/13/2013 12:21:20
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Just watched this video: http://www.ted.co..._what.html
If you're interested in this debate and the surrounding issues, you might like the talk. It's a moving collection of thoughts on the treatment of those who seems to be different to the norm like homosexuals, deaf people, those with learning disabilities and dwarfs, and how our treatment of them has changed over time.
I'd be interested to discuss/debate any reactions you have to it.
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| ODST |
Posted on 06/13/2013 13:43:15
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Firs off, if someone is homoseule then thats there business. Hell, some people never find love, if you find love then youve found happiness. Its good no matter what form it takes. The only objection i have really is redefining marriage. Marriage is defined as "the partnership between spoouses". I dont think that that should be redefined to fit homosexuals in. The mistake really was made with making marriage the main term. Marriage is extremely similar to a "Civil union" or a "Civil Marriage". Why must they redefine marriage, a term that's forever been used for opposite sex unions? Why mus you change that one term when it was forever known as opposite sex unions. If you want to get the contract which is basically what marriage is, do another form of it, like a civil union, you can be married and have every same legal status as other couples. Otherwise I think that homosexuals should be left to just live there lives together in peace as a couple. And i really dont know anyone who is a homosexual but i would think i would be nice to them like any other person i meet. it doesnt matter to me what you believe, its your personality.
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| tim |
Posted on 06/13/2013 14:05:12
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ninja wrote:
Just watched this video: http://www.ted.co..._what.html
If you're interested in this debate and the surrounding issues, you might like the talk. It's a moving collection of thoughts on the treatment of those who seems to be different to the norm like homosexuals, deaf people, those with learning disabilities and dwarfs, and how our treatment of them has changed over time.
I'd be interested to discuss/debate any reactions you have to it.
I liked the video and for the most part I agree with him.
Society in the future, (at least in my future) will progress away from the old mentalities of yesterday and will one day accept everyone no matter what they choose to do in their own bedrooms or no matter who they want as a person they want to keep with them as their one true love in marriage.
I don't see how if a homosexual couple were to get married, it would affect anyone negatively at all. I've seen some arguments in the past were if homosexual marriages were allowed to happen, then the "end of the world" or something of the sort will happen. Just cause a homosexual couple wish to be married, it doesn't mean that marriage is ruined for straight people to, or that everyone else will be tempted to be gay. That would only work if being homosexual was a choice, which it isn't.
The sanctity of straight marriage is already a farce to begin with anyways. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a sin to be divorced? I know way to many people in my school to count that have their parents seperated or divorced. There are also plenty of cheaters and liars out there, how can straight marriage be any more taboo than gay marriage?
I simply detest the unfair idea that homosexuals cannot get the same simple rights to do what all the other straight people do. It's like saying that only right handed people can use a computer and left handed people can't simply because they're left handed.
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 06/13/2013 14:08:54
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ODST wrote:
Marriage is defined as "the partnership between spoouses". I dont think that that should be redefined to fit homosexuals in.
Defined by whom? Anyway, I don't see how gay marriage doesn't fit with your definition; if two men or two women get married they are still each other's spouses. Your definition doesn't say 'between a man and a woman.' If that's what you meant, there's no reason not to redefine it.
You say that we should just leave homosexuals alone to live normally except for not allowing them to marry. What's so wrong with allowing them to marry? It's not like it even affects your life. The analogy I've heard is that it's like not allowing someone else to eat a doughnut because you're on a diet. What, are you trying to preserve the sanctity of the word 'marriage'? You can go to Las Vegas, get so drunk you won't remember it the next day and marry someone right there. How does that not impact on the meaning of marriage more than two loving men willing to spend the rest of their lives together?
Bear in mind that fifty or sixty years ago there were people passionately campaigning to 'preserve the sanctity of marriage' (sound familiar?) by not legalising interracial marriage. Think how these people sound today. In 2063 the people who campaigned against gay marriage will be looked upon in the same way.
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| ODST |
Posted on 06/13/2013 15:15:30
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I think that marriage should just be replaced with the term Civil union and make civil union exactly down to every detail the same as marriage. "civil union between a man and a woman" That is what the term in my opinion originally meant, but over time it turned into its own separate entity/word/definition and that was the mistake made with marriage. It should have never been made it should have stayed as a civil union. leave marriage as a term describing only a civil union between a man and a woman with civil union as a term describing ALL unions between spouses is my proposal.
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