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Sight Jacking in ZA servers.
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| Joshkl2013 |
Posted on 10/22/2012 00:29:06
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Vulture wrote:
There's nothing wrong with zombies sightjacking humans to see if they are hacking or not in the ProStats, because we basically know all the human camp spots in every map rotation in that server. But I doubt a human would go AFK just to sightjack and find a zombie as I think it would be stupid too to do that when you are sightjacking one zombie and get melee'ed/infected out of nowhere by another zombie.
There have been plenty of times when, as a human,I would have sjed another human because I knew they were botting. However, I have not done this because I find it pointless for a sightjacker to be installed if I can't use it.
That said, I agree with lowering the requirements so that more people can be caught botting...
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| ZA althor |
Posted on 10/22/2012 02:04:10
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Wanker
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just exactly how bad can the lag be from sj? also if a player were known on stats or such and wanted to bot they likely would use a new alias. kinda pointless to sj without having alias. someone could easily be framed that way.
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| JOSEPH5 |
Posted on 10/22/2012 06:16:02
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this is better now instead of calling a admin always. time to catch hackers.
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| ninja |
Posted on 10/22/2012 06:43:51
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ZA althor wrote:
just exactly how bad can the lag be from sj? also if a player were known on stats or such and wanted to bot they likely would use a new alias. kinda pointless to sj without having alias. someone could easily be framed that way.
Good point. We want the person recording the video to have the hash of the suspected player, ideally.
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| ZA BlackAdder |
Posted on 10/22/2012 09:22:05
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So after readin the comments I decided that sj should be lowered to sargents, however plz use only wen neccesary, don't go and sj every1 when its not needed... also as far as non zas sjin, we will accept their videos, however that doesn't mean action will be taken, like althor said its goin to be hard without allias. But we will still review the video and keep an eye out next time we c that person
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| ZA althor |
Posted on 10/22/2012 10:28:59
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Wanker
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so you mean non admin videos (no hash) will be used to put someone under suspicion but not as ultimate proof of botting right?
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| ZA BlackAdder |
Posted on 10/22/2012 10:48:39
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That's correct. Also a vid of a za botting in a server that has the anti impostor filter might be treated diffrently though.
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 10/22/2012 10:59:30
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ShawnPeezy
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So Sergeants and above are allowed to sightjack but only if necessary, i.e., you're fairly certain they're botting anyway.
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| ZA BlackAdder |
Posted on 10/22/2012 11:08:42
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Right, also if u suspect him, its not to see if a player is eventually goin to bot. Also if u have crappy xfire or recordin quality don't bother to sj
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/22/2012 11:20:38
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ZA althor wrote:
so you mean non admin videos (no hash) will be used to put someone under suspicion but not as ultimate proof of botting right?
We can go back to the server logs and get the hash no big deal.
example. a nonadmin has a vid of someone botting but doesnt have the hash all we have to do is go back to that time in server logs and find the hash of that player simple as that.
Edited by MasterA on 10/22/2012 11:21:42
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| Smurf |
Posted on 10/22/2012 12:04:47
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Wanker
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ninja wrote:
I'm not completely sure why we don't allow it.
It's probably something to do with disallowing all types of hacks/mods/3rd party applications. People might take advantage of it, perhaps by using the wireframe function on it. I don't know.
I think I would be happier to concede to just ZÅ members using it, but I don't know about all players.
E: We also want to be sure that people are actually playing the game, rather than just watching other players.
This would be a big problem. People always knowing when zombies around the corner, etc. Now, I fully admit to having SightJacker, But I don't use it. I have actually been working on changing the code in it.
I am trying to remove the wireframe function because I don't like it. Yes, It helps people cheat alot, but it also causes Halo to crash for frequently. I am in the process of dis-assembling the .exe into a format so i can see the code. Once I am in the program, I will remove Wireframe, Mod it for [ZA] (Just the ZA slogan and maybe a background pic) , and also change hotkeys. The reason why I want to change Hotkeys is because they don't always respond when you tap it.
If I am able to successfully remove the Wireframe, Would you guys consider opening SJ for all ZA members to try and catch anyone? (Also removing the lagg when SJ'ing, I already know what causes that).
Edited by Smurf on 10/22/2012 12:14:41
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/22/2012 14:07:10
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Smurf wrote:
ninja wrote:
I'm not completely sure why we don't allow it.
It's probably something to do with disallowing all types of hacks/mods/3rd party applications. People might take advantage of it, perhaps by using the wireframe function on it. I don't know.
I think I would be happier to concede to just ZÅ members using it, but I don't know about all players.
E: We also want to be sure that people are actually playing the game, rather than just watching other players.
This would be a big problem. People always knowing when zombies around the corner, etc. Now, I fully admit to having SightJacker, But I don't use it. I have actually been working on changing the code in it.
I am trying to remove the wireframe function because I don't like it. Yes, It helps people cheat alot, but it also causes Halo to crash for frequently. I am in the process of dis-assembling the .exe into a format so i can see the code. Once I am in the program, I will remove Wireframe, Mod it for [ZA] (Just the ZA slogan and maybe a background pic) , and also change hotkeys. The reason why I want to change Hotkeys is because they don't always respond when you tap it.
If I am able to successfully remove the Wireframe, Would you guys consider opening SJ for all ZA members to try and catch anyone? (Also removing the lagg when SJ'ing, I already know what causes that).
If ppl were going to use the wireframe function to cheat they would already be doing it regardless of the sightjacker rule. No one uses a sightjacker as a human to see if a zombie is around the corner how is that even a strategy? The humans all camp in open visible spots and you have to shift through everyone you sj, and when they die u have to find that person again, their is no way to catch every zombie coming around a corner rofl. So i assume you mean that if we allow everyone to sj then they will use the wireframe to cheat, they would do that anyways.
The wireframe function is their for slayer matches where their isn't teams and no arrows above ppls heads so you can see if they are snapping to ppl behind walls.
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| Smurf |
Posted on 10/23/2012 16:34:02
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Wanker
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The humans all camp in open visible spots
This is not always true. Some people like to get down, run around, and not camp. If they do so, They can use wireframe to see where the zombies are and if any are close. So why not have it removed? If you don't have wireframe to use for this it will make is more challenging. I personally do not know of anyone using this while they are down and running around, but it is very possible.
What if I code'd the wireframe for admins? If it can detect halo, and jump through screens, Then why shouldn't it be able to read your hash and tell if your admin or not? If it did this NO ONE else but admins would be able to use the wireframe. If anyone else tried it wouldn't activate saying(in the bottom left corner where name appears) admin rights not allowed please see server admin. I mean, I'm not saying that everyone or anyone uses the wireframe, I'm saying let's make it so we don't have anyone/everyone using it. Just the Seargents and above. Whatever level you lowered the use of SJ to members is.
Edited by Smurf on 10/23/2012 16:36:40
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| ninja |
Posted on 10/23/2012 16:53:11
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Smurf wrote:
The humans all camp in open visible spots
This is not always true. Some people like to get down, run around, and not camp. If they do so, They can use wireframe to see where the zombies are and if any are close. So why not have it removed? If you don't have wireframe to use for this it will make is more challenging. I personally do not know of anyone using this while they are down and running around, but it is very possible.
What if I code'd the wireframe for admins? If it can detect halo, and jump through screens, Then why shouldn't it be able to read your hash and tell if your admin or not? If it did this NO ONE else but admins would be able to use the wireframe. If anyone else tried it wouldn't activate saying(in the bottom left corner where name appears) admin rights not allowed please see server admin. I mean, I'm not saying that everyone or anyone uses the wireframe, I'm saying let's make it so we don't have anyone/everyone using it. Just the Seargents and above. Whatever level you lowered the use of SJ to members is.
Like A said: if someone wanted to cheat, they wouldn't tell us ...
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/23/2012 17:04:50
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Smurf wrote:
The humans all camp in open visible spots
This is not always true. Some people like to get down, run around, and not camp. If they do so, They can use wireframe to see where the zombies are and if any are close. So why not have it removed? If you don't have wireframe to use for this it will make is more challenging. I personally do not know of anyone using this while they are down and running around, but it is very possible.
What if I code'd the wireframe for admins? If it can detect halo, and jump through screens, Then why shouldn't it be able to read your hash and tell if your admin or not? If it did this NO ONE else but admins would be able to use the wireframe. If anyone else tried it wouldn't activate saying(in the bottom left corner where name appears) admin rights not allowed please see server admin. I mean, I'm not saying that everyone or anyone uses the wireframe, I'm saying let's make it so we don't have anyone/everyone using it. Just the Seargents and above. Whatever level you lowered the use of SJ to members is.
Smurf you're saying that if we allowed everyone to sj that something would change and they would all start wireframing to cheat. First off most ppl don't even know how to enable the wireframe and keep their first person view. 2nd of all wouldn't the ppl who would use the wireframe to cheat do it with or without the sj rule its not like their going to tell us......
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| Smurf |
Posted on 10/23/2012 17:57:36
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Wanker
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Smurf you're saying that if we allowed everyone to sj that something would change and they would all start wireframing to cheat.
No I am not saying everyone would cheat. I'm saying that if it was alllowed it can be done so in a manner that NO one CAN cheat if wanted too. I'm not saying anyone/everyone uses wireframe to cheat, But I am sure some people do.
And how would people not know how to enable wireframe? It says right on the SJ press "f8" to enable/disable wireframe. How would you not figure that out?
Edited by Smurf on 10/23/2012 17:59:05
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| MasterA |
Posted on 10/23/2012 18:11:08
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Smurf wrote:
Smurf you're saying that if we allowed everyone to sj that something would change and they would all start wireframing to cheat.
No I am not saying everyone would cheat. I'm saying that if it was alllowed it can be done so in a manner that NO one CAN cheat if wanted too. I'm not saying anyone/everyone uses wireframe to cheat, But I am sure some people do.
And how would people not know how to enable wireframe? It says right on the SJ press "f8" to enable/disable wireframe. How would you not figure that out?
because your still in sj mode, when u press f8 you are still sj ppl, and if u turn sj off the wireframe turns off, u can sj yourself and turn wireframe on but u lose gun crosshairs and its still in sj mode. Their is a way to turn wireframe on without having sj on but i would rather not explain it. And no even if this no wireframe sj was made i would rather use my sj that is useful in all servers......i don't think forcing everyone to use this sj is right everyone should be able to use any sj they want. If they plan to wireframe/wallhack they will do it regardless of any rules or any special sjs they have.
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 10/23/2012 18:15:17
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ShawnPeezy
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To put it another way, Smurf: if you're going to cheat, why would the rules make any difference anyway?
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| Carnage |
Posted on 10/23/2012 18:21:55
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Super Admin
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I can see this going down a road of spam and arguing so I'm going to nip this in the bud.
Sightjacking is allowed for all those ranked Sergeant and above. If you take a sj vid you need to post it to the sight for review. All those admins who are now allowed to sj that weren't before make sure that DO NOT ban a person for botting without posting the vid to the site first so it can be reviewed and if needed a ban on sight order or manual ban can be issued. Admins caught abusing this will be subject to the consequences listed at the bottom of the admin guidelines.
Also some tips for sightjacking:
1. Be on the opposite team. It helps those reviewing the vids if you are not on the same team as the person you are sjing. Even if this means committing suicide to do so its much better with the green arrows than without (especially with wallhackers).
2. Don't be obvious about it. If you are going to sj don't be obvious because most botters are gonna stop if they think they are being watched. So you can move you character around a bit. For non-admins this will be important since you are subject to afk kick timers.
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"Hey guys, I just bought this thing called a sight ward...so it's GG." - MasterA in League of Legends
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