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Debate 11: Cannabis
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| ninja |
Posted on 04/20/2012 16:49:06
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As many of you will know it's April 20, which is a significant date in cannabis culture (http://en.wikiped...is_culture).
Should cannabis consumption being decriminalised? Why?
Should it be legal to possess? To cultivate? To sell?
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| iloveboobies |
Posted on 04/20/2012 16:52:24
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Unless you want teens and young adults to mimic smoking, I say keep it illegal
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| Dudeman |
Posted on 04/20/2012 16:53:46
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I'm not a smoker by choice. That being said, I think we should legalize it and tax it just like alcohol. Lets eliminate that 11 trillion dollar debt America!
The only way this would work is if it was readily available. This would bring crime rates down as well, if you can't figure out how.....i'm not going to explain it to you. Just think Drug War, and everything you've heard about dealers.
Edit: Shawn I am so glad you are not in Politics.
Edited by Dudeman on 04/20/2012 16:54:59
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| iloveboobies |
Posted on 04/20/2012 16:59:22
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I would post something worth reading but I'm on my phone and writing that would take forever. ( @ school)
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 04/20/2012 17:05:18
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Well, how different is it from tobacco smoking? In my ill-informed view, not very.
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| ninja |
Posted on 04/20/2012 17:44:54
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Yes, Shawn.
Dudeman:
Would introducing a potentially very harmful substance to society really be a morally justifying means of making money? I think not.
Your point about bringing down crime relating to drugs is a very valid one. However, an perhaps better alternative would be to work towards cutting down the crime in the first place - if not by treating people's addictions to the drugs, then by interfering with the illegal market. Anyway, dealers will still have other drugs to trade, so I doubt the effect would be particularly substantial.
Hat:
Well tobacco smoking is a completely different debate. Not talking from any experience, I think that cannabis smoking has more mental effects and has been associated with the development of conditions like schizophrenia. The mental effects of tobacco smoking, other than addiction to nicotine, aren't so profound.
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| RAGE |
Posted on 04/20/2012 18:38:22
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If anything I've heard that weed/cannabis is "healthier" than tobacco itself, personally I think weed should be legalised because people can have depressing lives, so why not spice it up abit with abit of fun? huh? but, change how weed is formed, like not so strong so less chance of death, keep in contact with the real world after your high. |
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Posted on 04/20/2012 19:03:55
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The U.S. has spent 40 Billion dollars on fighting the so called "War on Drugs" and we have more drugs in this country today than ever. I just did a quick google search and found a few sources that say the number of just Americans that are killed annually from the war on drugs ranges up to 15,000 so lets be conservative and say an average of 10000 people and then you consider the 40 years we've been fighting this "war" and thats almost half a million Americans that have died. The doesnt include the foreigners i.e. Mexicans that are killed. Is the humancost and the monetary cost at all worth the fight? IMO thats a huge no. Will I ever partake in drugs like that, probably not but it would be nice not to have the goverment tell me what I can and cant do based on other peoples (usually religion-based) sense of morality.
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 04/21/2012 10:48:00
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I think if you want to smoke cannabis then go ahead. Like Carnage said, it's not worth the effort. Hobo mentioned prohibition (indirectly) where the US tried to outlaw alcohol in the 20s. They gave up after ten years or so.
By illegalising cannabis you're not stopping anyone, you're just glorifying it. If there's a rule against it, people want to break that rule.
And, although cannabis may have more mental effects (which, short term, is why people smoke it anyway) tobacco smoking with all its tar and whatnot clogging up your lungs, would probably have more of a physical effect. Let's not forget how many deaths are attributed to cigarettes. If one is legal, why not the other? I'd be more bothered by someone telling me they smoked cigarettes than telling me they smoked cannabis.
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| iloveboobies |
Posted on 04/21/2012 11:32:09
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Illegalize ciggarites and legalize weed for over 21. Sorta like exchange ciggs for weed.
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Posted on 04/21/2012 11:39:29
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Well I'm personally against smoking tobacco and weed, but
Carnage wrote:
Will I ever partake in drugs like that, probably not but it would be nice not to have the goverment tell me what I can and cant do based on other peoples (usually religion-based) sense of morality.
I think I agree with what Carnage is saying here.
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| Sarge |
Posted on 04/21/2012 14:25:19
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I believe that all drugs should be regulated at the state level as alcohol is, and that the government should have no say-so in the matter. People should have a right to put whatever they want into their bodies, souls, or whatever, at their own risk. That being said, I personally think drugs are stupid, but its not my place to tell other people what to do..
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 04/22/2012 08:51:17
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Hey guys' it's me Manny, marijuana expert...........................................................
-IT SHOULD BE KEPT ILLEGAL, period.
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| ledapus |
Posted on 04/23/2012 06:48:08
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I think having drugs etc illegal is a bad idea myself. Like dudeman said there are the drug wars etc. However I can accept shawns side of the argument. Although recently some place near mexico (i think....forgot the name) celebrated their first day without a death in years. And most of those deaths come from drug wars.
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| stunt1man |
Posted on 04/23/2012 14:13:56
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making drugs legal is a bad idea. i know some people love to smoke and want it to be available on their speed dial; however, we don't want our kids to get any bad influences. we already have enough kids going in the wrong direction. if we make it legal imagine how many kids can have access to drugs and the path they will chose due to drugs. once you get hooked up on drugs it's hard to get rid of the habit.
making legal is not going to solve any problem.
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 04/23/2012 14:18:15
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I think Mary Jane should be legalized and heavily taxed, just like tobacco. I don't think there's anything wrong with people smoking responsibly, same as alcohol. I don't think it should be allowed during working hours, while driving, at school, etc... but it should deff be legalized.
I don't think any other drugs should be legalized, though.
Edited by za heystarface on 04/23/2012 14:19:11
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 04/23/2012 14:28:19
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Marijuana is not bad at all.
It's just not a good idea to make it legal NOW, we should wait until society matures. |
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| za heystarface |
Posted on 04/23/2012 14:35:56
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Society won't have a reason to mature or learn to make responsible choices if the choice is not available to us.
If we legalize it: there will be less criminal activity that is marijuana related, less time served, less court costs, left rehabilitation costs. We will also be able to use it for more psychological illnesses, thereby decreasing body dependence on chemically manufactured anti-depressants and mood-elevators. We will also have more taxted income from suppliers, trade taxes, better international relations on the subject of drug control (ie: mexico), and ideally a transition from a traditional hierarchy of supply and demand to a capital and commercial one. The list goes on and on. There are more benefits and less spending with legalized marijuana than criminalized marijuana. I prefer the first kind of marijuana, myself. I don't smoke it, but I want to benefit from the legalization of it.
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 04/23/2012 15:59:26
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Thought I should post this graph form a UK medical journal.
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Tobacco and alcohol are both higher up both on dependence and physical harm than cannabis. If they're legal, why not cannabis?
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| Dudeman |
Posted on 04/23/2012 16:13:58
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The Hat of Love wrote:
Thought I should post this graph form a UK medical journal.
Tobacco and alcohol are both higher up both on dependence and physical harm than cannabis. If they're legal, why not cannabis?
I like alcohol....in moderation. There should definately be an age limit though. Like 21, or something close to that. Because society always can't deal with the age limit to begin with. Driving age is 16 they want to start at 14, Drinking age is 21 they want to start at 17 etc.
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