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Meteor Hits Russia
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| ninja |
Posted on 02/16/2013 12:38:43
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ZA Code wrote:
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Most governments have nothing better to do than manufacture fake meteors to destroy their own land.
It could be a secret missle launch attack from the USA, perhaps it contains a virus that 100s of residents now have
It could also just be a meteor.
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| SpartanJaz |
Posted on 02/16/2013 13:48:48
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ninja wrote:
ZA Code wrote:
ninja wrote:
Most governments have nothing better to do than manufacture fake meteors to destroy their own land.
It could be a secret missle launch attack from the USA, perhaps it contains a virus that 100s of residents now have
It could also just be a meteor.
Or... or... it could be a missle launch from within Russia itself to kill... 700 protestors. I mean... there's a lot to protest about in Russia. I don't think the government likes protests. So... put together the pieces. Pre-emptive protest retaliation. O: |
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| soulcyon |
Posted on 02/16/2013 14:26:06
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What I find wierd is that there was no report or even prior knowledge of this "mini" asteroid. All the NASA guys were worried about is DA14, which we all knew wasn't going to come hurdling into Earth. But if this asteroid was off by a couple hundred miles, it could've destroyed millions of civilian lives.
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| SpartanJaz |
Posted on 02/16/2013 14:36:45
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soulcyon wrote:
What I find wierd is that there was no report or even prior knowledge of this "mini" asteroid. All the NASA guys were worried about is DA14, which we all knew wasn't going to come hurdling into Earth. But if this asteroid was off by a couple hundred miles, it could've destroyed millions of civilian lives.
I'm pretty sure it only would have needed to have hit a few miles away to have a much larger impact. It was one lucky hit, though it's unfortunate of course that even 700 people had to die. |
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| RazNinjaMike |
Posted on 02/16/2013 15:11:50
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i would love to see a meteor land. and not have anyone myself included hurt/killed |
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| ODST |
Posted on 02/16/2013 16:13:17
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soulcyon wrote:
What I find wierd is that there was no report or even prior knowledge of this "mini" asteroid. All the NASA guys were worried about is DA14, which we all knew wasn't going to come hurdling into Earth. But if this asteroid was off by a couple hundred miles, it could've destroyed millions of civilian lives.
..., rly soul? this thing was about 2 meters big! extreamly dark, and going 40000 mph! you think someone is going to see that? RLY? its almost impossible to see a 45 m one. it happens. were lucky it broke up in the atmosphere, if it had hit the ground, if it had been 5 or so inches bigger, then it would have left a crater the size of meteor crater in arizona, or basically a nuke. and noone died i think?
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 02/18/2013 08:13:41
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Moony wrote:
ninja wrote:
ZA BrickSquad wrote:
The government should of protected it's people like it should,
I agree, a government representative should have caught the meteor and thrown it back out into space.
Perhaps a giant tennis racquet to volley the meteorite back into space, instead? How about a nuclear missile to blow it up and potentially rain more dangerous debris over a larger area?
Fact of the matter is that nobody knew about the meteorite, not even the russian government, until, well, it struck. It was totally unexpected. Blaming the government in this case is futile.
How about letting the public know in advance? There would of been 0 injuries, and WAY LESS damage to buildings.
If the government focus more on protecting their citizens instead of money.
Yes, I know the object was 25% the size of any object they would have detected, but it was too small. Hmm...do you think the government could of had more advanced technology if we focused on education and getting the humans to live more purposeful lives?
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| SpartanJaz |
Posted on 02/18/2013 12:06:29
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ZA BrickSquad wrote:
Moony wrote:
ninja wrote:
ZA BrickSquad wrote:
The government should of protected it's people like it should,
I agree, a government representative should have caught the meteor and thrown it back out into space.
Perhaps a giant tennis racquet to volley the meteorite back into space, instead? How about a nuclear missile to blow it up and potentially rain more dangerous debris over a larger area?
Fact of the matter is that nobody knew about the meteorite, not even the russian government, until, well, it struck. It was totally unexpected. Blaming the government in this case is futile.
Yes, I know the object was 25% the size of any object they would have detected, but it was too small. Hmm...do you think the government could of had more advanced technology if we focused on education and getting the humans to live more purposeful lives?[/color][/b]
How about 'No'?
Perhaps if education had been better decades ago, we would have more advanced technology, sure.
And perhaps if there was less rivalry between countries, we might possibly have more advanced technology.(Issue here is that there are geniuses that only choose to show their ideas during war, which happened in abundance during WWII for example. So it's debatable as to whether less rivalry would mean faster technological advancement)
Getting humans to live more purposeful lives? Frankly, who gives you the right to decide what a purposeful life is? Everybody's contributed something to society somehow, even if their contribution is being such an evil bastard that they inspire somebody to despise them, resulting in a hate-driven technological drive.
And there are other things such as sitting at a computer looking at codes which many wave off as pointless geekiness even though without those kinds of people, technology wouldn't even be as advanced it is now.
And anyway, despite technological advancement, there is no known way to see meteors which are this small which are travelling at this speed and which are this unknown. I doubt it will ever be possible. Telescopic technology is pretty much at it's peak already. Besides, even if we could have seen the meteor light years away, it would still be impossible for any human to see it at the speed it's travelling. Not only would we have to have lenses which can be slowed down at least 1000x but we would also have to know about the meteor. I highly doubt, even in a thousand years, there will be any way to predict a meteor. The universe, as you know, is vast. It would take a million years to calculate the presence of one meteor within the vast universe, nevermind try to find every meteor that might possibly have a chance of hitting us. :/ |
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| ninja |
Posted on 02/18/2013 13:55:19
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More advanced site for detection of such meteors are in development as of now. A decision to build the Asteroid Terrestrial-Impact Alert System (ATLAS) was made as a result of this impact in Russia.
Unfortunately we can't pour resources into everything all the time. When prompted, you take preventative measures, but you can't account for everything.
We're all living on a big rock whizzing around with loads of other rocks - we've got to expect collisions sometimes.
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| SpartanJaz |
Posted on 02/18/2013 16:06:09
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ninja wrote:
We're all living on a puny rock whizzing around with loads of other rocks of various sizes - we've got to expect collisions sometimes.
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| ninja |
Posted on 02/18/2013 18:04:07
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SpartanJaz wrote:
ninja wrote:
We're all living on a puny rock whizzing around with loads of other rocks of various sizes - we've got to expect collisions sometimes.
FTFY
Well size is relative, so I could have qualified it with any such adjective. I was thinking relative to my own size, but thank you for your thoughts.
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| Joe |
Posted on 02/19/2013 23:25:54
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Don't worry just give them vodka and it'll be fine.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 02/20/2013 23:03:00
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Perhaps if education had been better decades ago, we would have more advanced technology, sure.
And perhaps if there was less rivalry between countries, we might possibly have more advanced technology.(Issue here is that there are geniuses that only choose to show their ideas during war, which happened in abundance during WWII for example. So it's debatable as to whether less rivalry would mean faster technological advancement)
That's what I mean! I want people to start being more educated so we can all start living a peaceful life and focus more on important things, by making more steps/leaps for mankind =)
Getting humans to live more purposeful lives? Frankly, who gives you the right to decide what a purposeful life is? Everybody's contributed something to society somehow, even if their contribution is being such an evil bastard that they inspire somebody to despise them, resulting in a hate-driven technological drive.
And there are other things such as sitting at a computer looking at codes which many wave off as pointless geekiness even though without those kinds of people, technology wouldn't even be as advanced it is now.
What I meant was that many people in the world cannot chose how they want to live, also don't have as much freedom or opportunity as others. Each human should be equal and deserve the necessaries ,such knowing when the next meal is coming, having shelter, access to education and health care, and much more things, just keeping it short. And it's all possible if we all worked together; educate people, stop violence , and help the ones in need.
And anyway, despite technological advancement, there is no known way to see meteors which are this small which are travelling at this speed and which are this unknown. I doubt it will ever be possible. Telescopic technology is pretty much at it's peak already. Besides, even if we could have seen the meteor light years away, it would still be impossible for any human to see it at the speed it's travelling. Not only would we have to have lenses which can be slowed down at least 1000x but we would also have to know about the meteor. I highly doubt, even in a thousand years, there will be any way to predict a meteor. The universe, as you know, is vast. It would take a million years to calculate the presence of one meteor within the vast universe, nevermind try to find every meteor that might possibly have a chance of hitting us. :/
You have no idea how far we can advance in technology. Think about it like this, compare the technology from today and 100 years ago (not that long), then think about the technology 1,000 years ago. Also the advancement we see every year now-a-days. Imagine where we can reach in 50 to 100 years if we just focus on making those steps/leaps for mankind as I previously typed.
At least one that can detect the smallest one which can penetrate all the way through to hit Earth. Technology can advance where it can detect smaller and faster ones. |
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| tjlongshot |
Posted on 02/21/2013 00:40:14
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kinda scary that with all this technology we have nowadays, we completely missed this meteor
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 02/21/2013 06:35:59
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All I see is a lot of 'if's. If the world was perfect and if everyone in charge always collaborated and if the world's scientists were putting all their efforts into this then people could have been saved. It's all very well blaming everyone for this but, forgive me, I don't think anyone here is actually a professional astronomer who is well-informed on meteor spotting. Right now all I'm seeing is a lot of 'they should have done something and they could have' without actually knowing whether or not they could have. I'm sure in the future we will have better detection equipment but right now we don't.
Like ODST said, this was 2m wide, dark and going 40,000 mph. Don't be surprised that we couldn't see it and don't blame the government/astronomers/technology if they don't spot every tiny piece of rock in a solar system full of tiny little rocks.
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 02/21/2013 09:39:42
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The Hat of Love wrote:
All I see is a lot of 'if's. If the world was perfect and if everyone in charge always collaborated and if the world's scientists were putting all their efforts into this then people could have been saved. It's all very well blaming everyone for this but, forgive me, I don't think anyone here is actually a professional astronomer who is well-informed on meteor spotting. Right now all I'm seeing is a lot of 'they should have done something and they could have' without actually knowing whether or not they could have. I'm sure in the future we will have better detection equipment but right now we don't.
Like ODST said, this was 2m wide, dark and going 40,000 mph. Don't be surprised that we couldn't see it and don't blame the government/astronomers/technology if they don't spot every tiny piece of rock in a solar system full of tiny little rocks.
Dude, all those "if's" are used everyday. EXAMPLE: Apple Ipod, it used to be an "if", TV and computers used to be an "if". Planned pregnancies we're "if's" too! Those "if's" can turn into real the next day.
So Hat, you want to stay in the ages we are today, killing for money, war, kids starving to death? Al lcan be fixed, it's just up to us. But the problem is SOCIALISM.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
And it was not 2m wide, it was about 17m, see how you misinform everyone? You are literally killing everyone with ignorance, the root of the problem in all humans.
Who do you want me to blame if over 1,000 people got hurt when the government WOULD have prevented it if it 100% cared about it's citizens? |
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| SpartanJaz |
Posted on 02/21/2013 12:55:46
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Brick, you're talking rubbish.
There is no if in this situation.
This meteor could NOT have been detected. There is no technology currently which can detect meteors of this size AND calculate their direction and there probably never will be. There are zaboozillions of small rocks in space. Any one of them could just happen to move in our direction due to something or another. The amount of calculations required to know where every meteor in the universe is going to go at any time is ridiculous, not to mention the fact that you'd have to go through every calculation to see which one will actually come in our direction.
Granted, there is a possibility that a computer could calculate which meteors might come near us quite efficiently if the calculations required could be discovered/invented.
However, I would be disappointed if society, even if it was perfect, focused on such a technology.
Meteors are very rare. There are much more useful things to be researching. If 700 people die, that's fine. Thousands of other people die all the time for various reasons. Not much we can do about it. It's better to focus on improving the lives of those who are still alive. Death's a sure thing. Get over it. :/ |
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| ZA BrickSquad |
Posted on 02/21/2013 13:27:31
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Brick, you're talking rubbish.
There is no if in this situation.
This meteor could NOT have been detected. There is no technology currently which can detect meteors of this size AND calculate their direction and there probably never will be. There are zaboozillions of small rocks in space. Any one of them could just happen to move in our direction due to something or another. The amount of calculations required to know where every meteor in the universe is going to go at any time is ridiculous, not to mention the fact that you'd have to go through every calculation to see which one will actually come in our direction.
Keyword: CURRENTLY. You just explained why we couldn't see it, but in the future we will. Unless you think we won't advance anymore in technology, which that is really RUBBISH.
I'm not saying we need to know where all of them are, but we can advance our technology that we will know every single possible DANGEROUS object in our Solar System, which I think is sufficient space, if not, we just expand out "protective shelter". That's why we have supercomputers, and if they are weak, we make stronger ones throughout the technology advancement every year, so we can always upgrade every 5 to 20 years, depending on all the variables and cost efficiency in updating.
The point is, we can. We are human beings 
Granted, there is a possibility that a computer could calculate which meteors might come near us quite efficiently if the calculations required could be discovered/invented.
However, I would be disappointed if society, even if it was perfect, focused on such a technology.
Meteors are very rare. There are much more useful things to be researching. If 700 people die, that's fine. Thousands of other people die all the time for various reasons. Not much we can do about it. It's better to focus on improving the lives of those who are still alive. Death's a sure thing. Get over it. :/
You are being super ignorant now. I never said the whole world is going to devote to astronomy. Did you know there are millions of people right now looking through garbage for food? Don't you think they have something better to do? Yes, but they CAN'T, if they don't eat, they die. But look at America with all it's food... doesn't make sense? Yes it does, because many people are greedy, *cough* *cough* SOCIALISM. |
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| The Hat of Love |
Posted on 02/21/2013 17:01:56
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You know, there may have been a couple of points in what you said Brick but I wouldn't know since it was surrounded by what appears to be nonsense.
Good day.
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| Moony |
Posted on 02/21/2013 17:18:34
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2012 DA14, the asteroid that missed us, was about 30m and about 190k tonnes in weight.
the russian meteor was about 17m wide and only about 10k tonnes.
This is a significant difference, it's just over half as big and nineteen times lighter.
I should also mention nobody died, just in case it's not been reinforced already. A thousand people were injured, though.
You are being super ignorant now. I never said the whole world is going to devote to astronomy. Did you know there are millions of people right now looking through garbage for food? Don't you think they have something better to do? Yes, but they CAN'T, if they don't eat, they die. But look at America with all it's food... doesn't make sense? Yes it does, because many people are greedy, *cough* *cough* SOCIALISM.
With respect, cry me a river. We all have our own crosses to bear, we can't just drop anything to look after the world. If I don't eat, I die too. If my brother and sister don't eat, I'll die too. I live just two shades away from poverty- we're not very rich- and I've had to go without just to ensure I have enough money for university travel fees.
A perfect world where everyone gets along in harmony doesn't exist, because for that everyone would need to put their own problems behind everyone else's.
Tu fui, ego eris.
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